Comments on: ‘Muslim Patrol’ as provocation strategy?

By: David Ucko

David Ucko — Sat, 02 Mar 2013 00:39:14 +0000

I’m sorry to break this to you, but a citizen is a citizen is a citizen. Unless you’ve committed a crime and there is reason for denaturalization, there is not much to parse “original shareholders” from “newcomers”.

But I agree with you that bull-fighting is indeed cruel. But this notion of a ‘violent take-over’ is pure fiction. As I put it in a previous comment, don’t let the few extreme cases speak for an entire community – it is precisely what they want but wholly inaccurate.

By: Daniel F.

Daniel F. — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 22:04:46 +0000

Well “Person”, democracy is fine, but the vote with most weight and importance should be cast by the original shareholder, not the newcomers who have just bought into the company and are in it for their own biased ends insted of keeping the company true to its roots and interests. I agree with “Truth” for the most part, maybe not the bullfighting though, its cruel and should not be allowed, but certainly yes: the ones to do away with it should be the Spanish for themselves, not outsiders imposing their views onto them.

By: Person

Person — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:38:59 +0000

That’s an impressive number of strawmen, “Truth”. Your Spanish example is wrong because in a democracy, eligible voters (and activists) get to say what they prefer. If that is a change to how thing “have always been done”, then so be it.

What you didn’t address is “the rules of the game”: there IS a problem that the tiny minority among British Muslims who are nutters do not want the rule of law, or the protection of all (especially women and non-Muslims). It is Ok to play the democracy game even with wishes that different from tradition. It is not Ok to seek to end democracy.

By: Truth

Truth — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 02:44:59 +0000

“Being ‘sick of the Asians’ in the UK is like being ‘sick of the blacks’ in the U.S.”

If by Asians you mean Muslims. Then no,just flat out no,Muslim is not a race,so dont try to point it all at being racist(typical). Afroamericans intergrate,they are part of the community and accept the countries laws without trying to dictate them according to their own beliefs,they will not frown upon you for drinking alcohol in your own country that has done so for hundreds of years and not want to change it for their own ends even if they dont accept it,and they do not hide their identities from the public under veils(refer to intergration) by saying “its my custom so get used to it”,no,they fit in and are true Americans and look so without even having to make an effort. When you are in America people look American or “American in their own way”,when you go to Britain some areas look like the far East and nothing else,that is not intergration,that is imposing your own culture onto a host country. Debate that however you like,its the truth.
Do not bring race into what is clearly a conflict of “beliefs”,people always pull the race card when their back is to the ropes and it is pathetic and a weasly way of getting pity for their side of the story.

Also,are you trying to lead us to believe that the black community is nonexistant in Britain? The reason the black race is not under the microscope and the Muslims are in these articles is because in Britain the black community is PART of the country,rather than being the odd one out in their customs and traits of the countrys history and rights.

“Many Muslims in Britain are not in a “host-nation” country but at home – they are British.”

Being born in Britain does not give you the right to change is history,laws,customs or traits to your parents ones as if it were a true patriot making such decisions. You were born there and all that changes is a word on your passport,you are still of whatever decent you were originally. If your ideals are of another country,return to that country and live there,do not change the country you live in to the one of your familys origin,because the natives will not take kindly to it(and they should not have to,it was THEIR country first before you family immigrated for a better life…and to try to mold it to your own ends apparantly).

“I am Muslim and I am Muslim whereever I go” That is fine,just go be Muslim in a predominantly Muslim country then where alcohol is illegal and everything is halal,if not,then be Muslim but RESPECT the host countrys laws and the ORIGINAL customs of said country without demanding they change them because you are present on its grounds,otherwise what you are really saying is “I am Muslim,and whereever I go you must change the residents customs and characters to that of my own”…religion of peace my ass,hostile takeover more like it. Sorry about that last comment but it enrages me so much when people cant accept a country for what it is,Britain is not racist towards Muslims,they just become very annoyed that Muslims refuse to accept that they live in BRITAIN and not their parents original place of birth whereever that may be. You dont go to Spain,have your kids born in Spain so they are legally Spanish and then demand they stop bullfighting because YOU disagree with it,yes its cruel and a bloodsport,but its their history and heritage,what you DO do is stop foxhunting in your OWN country where you have THE RIGHT to do so as its your own linage and blood doing such actions.

By: Mikael

Mikael — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:36:45 +0000

Well said, Bensolomon. It appears the apologists for radical islam are struck speechless.

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By: bensolomon

bensolomon — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:45:20 +0000

I saw the video on Al-Jazera, the stream. The Indian Muslim ( British Citizen) has accused Ms Kelly of being racist, while kelly says she is not racist but disagrees with islamic ideology. Well let me remind the Indian Muslim British citizen, that in India, Hindus have many problems with Radical Indian Muslims. Remenber the demolition of the Babri Mosque in India and the riots against Muslims in Gujerat India. The point i am making is Kelly is right, its not a racist problem but a problem with Islam. Asians who are Christians/Hindus/Buddhist dont have a “value”problem living in Britain. Now my second point is the Bearded Man says he will not condemm the Muslim Patrol because they are his Muslim Brothers. I beleive deep in the hearts of true Muslims, they will not condemn the Muslim Patrol just as they wont condemm Osama bin Laden. Every devout Muslim beleive that Shariah Law is divine law given by Allah and the Muslims have a moral responsibility to bring it into reality. ( Western viewvers should know that the Koran encourages Muslims to deceive Infidels in order to acheive the objectives of Islam)
The Final point I like to make is that a minority Fanatical Muslims can even destroy a whole country or the whole planet when they get the right weopons. The problem of Muslim Extremism must be nipped in the bud. Remenber that Osama and his small group of people were able to carry out large scale violence so the argument that “its just a small group” is not valid when dealing with people who have a deep desire to use violence to achieve their goals.

By: Person

Person — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:40:17 +0000

Well said.

By: David

David — Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:30:24 +0000

“I do not trust the muslims as far as I can throw a Twin Tower”

That is just outrageous… best stop the conversation there lest I lose my ‘dignity and aplomb’. Off to teach a classroom full of Muslims before I catch up with some Muslim friends for the weekend.

By: Mikael

Mikael — Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:37:50 +0000

David, since we do not have names and religious affiliations of the perpetrators of the 174 attacks, we have to tease out some conclusions based on clues presented. A lazier approach is for the report to declare that not one attack was religiously motivated. In at least one example, we learn that the perpetrator of an “attack against the Danish newspaper “Morgenavisen Jyllandsposten” by means of a homemade explosive device, was found guilty of attempted terrorism and illegal possession of a firearm. He was sentenced to 12 years’ imprisonment, with a permanent ban from entering Denmark after serving the sentence.”

This individual was in fact a muslim acting under a fatwa to punish the newspaper for defiling mohamad and islam. It would be disingenuous to describe this attack as not religiously motivated.

In any event, you are to be commended for moderating this discussion with dignity and aplumb. We are left to agree to disagree. I do not trust the muslims as far as I can throw a Twin Tower. Until I see the trend of muslim encroachment on Europe and the US reversed, and until militant islamists from Mali to Afghanistan are destroyed or rendered impotent, that will continue to be my position. As politically incorrect as I know this would be, Kings College might consider inviting Geert Wilders to speak some time. That is, if your government would let him in to the country.