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	<title>Comments on: General Mattis&#8217;s Martial Mix-Tape</title>
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		<title>By: Cincinattus Jr.</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/general-mattiss-martial-mix-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-7606</link>
		<dc:creator>Cincinattus Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those interested:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/16-Most-Hair-Raising-General-Mattis-Quotes-1573</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/16-Most-Hair-Raising-General-Mattis-Quotes-1573" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/16-Most-Hair-Raising-General-Mattis-Quotes-1573</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cincinattus Jr.</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/general-mattiss-martial-mix-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-7592</link>
		<dc:creator>Cincinattus Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/general-mattiss-martial-mix-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-7591</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest that eliminating all bias is impossible, for reasons including the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, and the inevitable bias on the part of the audience. However, the NPOV is a very good go at getting to an acceptable minimum of bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that eliminating all bias is impossible, for reasons including the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, and the inevitable bias on the part of the audience. However, the NPOV is a very good go at getting to an acceptable minimum of bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Cincinattus Jr.</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/general-mattiss-martial-mix-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-7590</link>
		<dc:creator>Cincinattus Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without appearing too pedantic, even Wikipedia itself acknowledges that it has problems with bias:

http://en.wikipedia [dot] org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias

(Due to spam filter I had to spell out the &quot;dot&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without appearing too pedantic, even Wikipedia itself acknowledges that it has problems with bias:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia</a> [dot] org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias</p>
<p>(Due to spam filter I had to spell out the &#8220;dot&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/general-mattiss-martial-mix-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-7589</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there&#039;s a lot of value in the idea of Wikipedia&#039;s neutral point of view: it would be straightforward enough to identify what is agreed, and what is not agreed, and what is each party&#039;s view on the disagreed points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there&#8217;s a lot of value in the idea of Wikipedia&#8217;s neutral point of view: it would be straightforward enough to identify what is agreed, and what is not agreed, and what is each party&#8217;s view on the disagreed points.</p>
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		<title>By: Cincinattus Jr.</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/general-mattiss-martial-mix-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-7587</link>
		<dc:creator>Cincinattus Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was away from my computer with my previous reply and I thought your thoughtful explanation deserved a bit more from me.  In the context of my initial reply to you, I suggest the following may also amplify my point:

1.  This presentation by Edmund Burke III on Hodgson offers a good deal of biographical material on Hodgson that I believe supports my thesis regarding the effects of perspective and bias on anyone&#039;s work in the social sciences at least, no matter how &quot;objective&quot; they intend it to be:
  http://www.escholarship dot org/uc/item/8hg7g677?display=all#page-3

2. While I think Bonner is perhaps a bit more &quot;balanced&quot; (again a function of not only my reading about him but my perspective and bias), his review of Ibn Warraq&#039;s &quot;The Quest for the Historical Muhammad&quot; in which he himself conceded &quot;The study of Islam&#039;s origins [and I would argue many other aspects of Islam, especially relating to contemporary issues such as Islamic-related terrorism etc.] , including the life of Muhammad, is a notoriously contentious undertaking. Scholars with admirable training differ sharply among themselves on how to understand it.&quot; again underscores just how subjective such things really are: http://www.bismikaallahuma dot org/archives/2005/book-review-of-ibn-warraqs-the-quest-for-the-historical-muhammad-ny-2000/

3.  As for Patricia Crone, she may well be the poster child along with her colleague, Michael Cook, for the phenomena to which I have alluded.  While these eminent scholars (at least so some--yet another indicator of my point) felt strongly enough about their research and resulting analysis to publish a book &quot;Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World,&quot; it is interesting and to me still inexplicable, notwithstanding their stated reasons, why they subsequently recanted it, other than to placate the firestorm caused by the book among Muslims such as represented here: http://www.bismikaallahuma dot org/archives/2007/hagarism-the-story-of-a-book-written-by-infidels-for-infidels/  

All of this demonstrates to me at least that while all of these scholars are worthy of study, to say that they are somehow &quot;better&quot; than those someone else may be considering at a particular point in time and for reasons and with perspectives that may vary from those that we may have for such study, is, as I said earlier, of little practical value other than perhaps reflecting the perspectives and biases of the person making the value judgment.

My point in making my observation is not to criticize anyone for having a view about what someone else is reading but rather to remind us all that even when we think we are being objective in such evaluations, we really are not.  At best, we are asserting at some level our perception of our own view or perhaps that of a consensus about a given scholar or book that itself is never universal or absolute

N.B.  I had to replace the &quot;dot&quot; in the hyperlinks with the word &quot;dot&quot; to get past the spam filter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was away from my computer with my previous reply and I thought your thoughtful explanation deserved a bit more from me.  In the context of my initial reply to you, I suggest the following may also amplify my point:</p>
<p>1.  This presentation by Edmund Burke III on Hodgson offers a good deal of biographical material on Hodgson that I believe supports my thesis regarding the effects of perspective and bias on anyone&#8217;s work in the social sciences at least, no matter how &#8220;objective&#8221; they intend it to be:<br />
  <a href="http://www.escholarship" rel="nofollow">http://www.escholarship</a> dot org/uc/item/8hg7g677?display=all#page-3</p>
<p>2. While I think Bonner is perhaps a bit more &#8220;balanced&#8221; (again a function of not only my reading about him but my perspective and bias), his review of Ibn Warraq&#8217;s &#8220;The Quest for the Historical Muhammad&#8221; in which he himself conceded &#8220;The study of Islam&#8217;s origins [and I would argue many other aspects of Islam, especially relating to contemporary issues such as Islamic-related terrorism etc.] , including the life of Muhammad, is a notoriously contentious undertaking. Scholars with admirable training differ sharply among themselves on how to understand it.&#8221; again underscores just how subjective such things really are: <a href="http://www.bismikaallahuma" rel="nofollow">http://www.bismikaallahuma</a> dot org/archives/2005/book-review-of-ibn-warraqs-the-quest-for-the-historical-muhammad-ny-2000/</p>
<p>3.  As for Patricia Crone, she may well be the poster child along with her colleague, Michael Cook, for the phenomena to which I have alluded.  While these eminent scholars (at least so some&#8211;yet another indicator of my point) felt strongly enough about their research and resulting analysis to publish a book &#8220;Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World,&#8221; it is interesting and to me still inexplicable, notwithstanding their stated reasons, why they subsequently recanted it, other than to placate the firestorm caused by the book among Muslims such as represented here: <a href="http://www.bismikaallahuma" rel="nofollow">http://www.bismikaallahuma</a> dot org/archives/2007/hagarism-the-story-of-a-book-written-by-infidels-for-infidels/  </p>
<p>All of this demonstrates to me at least that while all of these scholars are worthy of study, to say that they are somehow &#8220;better&#8221; than those someone else may be considering at a particular point in time and for reasons and with perspectives that may vary from those that we may have for such study, is, as I said earlier, of little practical value other than perhaps reflecting the perspectives and biases of the person making the value judgment.</p>
<p>My point in making my observation is not to criticize anyone for having a view about what someone else is reading but rather to remind us all that even when we think we are being objective in such evaluations, we really are not.  At best, we are asserting at some level our perception of our own view or perhaps that of a consensus about a given scholar or book that itself is never universal or absolute</p>
<p>N.B.  I had to replace the &#8220;dot&#8221; in the hyperlinks with the word &#8220;dot&#8221; to get past the spam filter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under his beard he doesn&#039;t have a chin. He has another fist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under his beard he doesn&#8217;t have a chin. He has another fist.</p>
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		<title>By: David Betz</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Betz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 04:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;He also doesn’t read all those books in his formitable library. I heard he glares at the books until they tell him what he wants to know.&#039;

Yeah, General Mattis is so tough he doesn&#039;t so much breathe as hold air hostage. When he crosses the street the cars look both ways. He&#039;s the reason Waldo is hiding. 

Cue 100 Chuck Norris jokes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;He also doesn’t read all those books in his formitable library. I heard he glares at the books until they tell him what he wants to know.&#8217;</p>
<p>Yeah, General Mattis is so tough he doesn&#8217;t so much breathe as hold air hostage. When he crosses the street the cars look both ways. He&#8217;s the reason Waldo is hiding. </p>
<p>Cue 100 Chuck Norris jokes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cincinattus Jr.</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/general-mattiss-martial-mix-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-7579</link>
		<dc:creator>Cincinattus Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Reading lists are tricky, especially for uber-geeks who read (and post comments on) strategery websites.&quot;

Excellent. ;-)

&quot;I heard he glares at the books until they tell him what he wants to know.&quot;

Even better. ;-)  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Reading lists are tricky, especially for uber-geeks who read (and post comments on) strategery websites.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent. ;-)</p>
<p>&#8220;I heard he glares at the books until they tell him what he wants to know.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even better. ;-)  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: IronCapt</title>
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		<dc:creator>IronCapt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading lists are tricky, especially for uber-geeks who read (and post comments on) strategery websites. I would say that the most important book you can recommend is the one that is going to be read. A 17th century commentary on Hanbalism might be vital to contemporary Islamist thought, but if I give my Colonel a breezy, Bernard Lewis pamphlet, he&#039;ll read it. Or he&#039;ll go back to the Harry Potter novel he thinks I didn&#039;t see on his desk last week. 

I wouldn&#039;t read too much into General Mattis&#039;s reading list. He employs a small army of geeks to compile these lists for him. He also doesn&#039;t read all those books in his formitable library. I heard he glares at the books until they tell him what he wants to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading lists are tricky, especially for uber-geeks who read (and post comments on) strategery websites. I would say that the most important book you can recommend is the one that is going to be read. A 17th century commentary on Hanbalism might be vital to contemporary Islamist thought, but if I give my Colonel a breezy, Bernard Lewis pamphlet, he&#8217;ll read it. Or he&#8217;ll go back to the Harry Potter novel he thinks I didn&#8217;t see on his desk last week. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t read too much into General Mattis&#8217;s reading list. He employs a small army of geeks to compile these lists for him. He also doesn&#8217;t read all those books in his formitable library. I heard he glares at the books until they tell him what he wants to know.</p>
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