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		<title>By: John M</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/dealing-with-retrenchment/comment-page-1/#comment-7252</link>
		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree.  The risk issues is at the forefront of the debate.   Also agree with PMCs being utilized for infrastructure, governance and essential services is a worthwhile endeavor. From personal experience, privatized security can be a detriment more than an asset (not that the military can&#039;t also undermine its own efforts).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree.  The risk issues is at the forefront of the debate.   Also agree with PMCs being utilized for infrastructure, governance and essential services is a worthwhile endeavor. From personal experience, privatized security can be a detriment more than an asset (not that the military can&#8217;t also undermine its own efforts).</p>
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		<title>By: Jedibeeftrix</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/dealing-with-retrenchment/comment-page-1/#comment-7190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jedibeeftrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NATO&#039;s limits are defined by its commitment rather than its capability, which is rather the point of the think-tank assessing its future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NATO&#8217;s limits are defined by its commitment rather than its capability, which is rather the point of the think-tank assessing its future.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/dealing-with-retrenchment/comment-page-1/#comment-7187</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification. I have reservations about calling it a WoG concept, since surely that really only means &quot;some civilian govt, some military&quot;. I&#039;m sure most parts of the US govt back home have no part to play in Afghanistan. Ultimately I believe the civ/mil mix comes down to risk appetite/tolerance.

Also, whatever reservations you may have (and I share those), we should recognise that option (c) exists, especially as it is currently being employed. I may have been unclear: I wasn&#039;t referring to using PMCs for security, but contractors for building work. Still, independent contractors (local or US-based) exist to provide both &quot;military&quot; type functions and &quot;civ&quot; type functions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification. I have reservations about calling it a WoG concept, since surely that really only means &#8220;some civilian govt, some military&#8221;. I&#8217;m sure most parts of the US govt back home have no part to play in Afghanistan. Ultimately I believe the civ/mil mix comes down to risk appetite/tolerance.</p>
<p>Also, whatever reservations you may have (and I share those), we should recognise that option (c) exists, especially as it is currently being employed. I may have been unclear: I wasn&#8217;t referring to using PMCs for security, but contractors for building work. Still, independent contractors (local or US-based) exist to provide both &#8220;military&#8221; type functions and &#8220;civ&#8221; type functions.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ucko</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/dealing-with-retrenchment/comment-page-1/#comment-7182</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ucko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As lifted from the current issue of Survival:
‘NATO’s commitments should never exceed what the Alliance can do.’
German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg at the IISS in London on 28 June 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As lifted from the current issue of Survival:<br />
‘NATO’s commitments should never exceed what the Alliance can do.’<br />
German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg at the IISS in London on 28 June 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/dealing-with-retrenchment/comment-page-1/#comment-7177</link>
		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,

1) WoG = Whole of Government

2) Yes, I am speaking in the US context (directly linked to the last sentence of the entry).

3)  I am leery of contractors as a solution.  While I fully concede that they are part of current and future operations, I am reluctant to think of them as a viable solution for civ counterparts.  While they would be a capable asset I would have issues with their ultimate responsibility/accountability to the American populace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>1) WoG = Whole of Government</p>
<p>2) Yes, I am speaking in the US context (directly linked to the last sentence of the entry).</p>
<p>3)  I am leery of contractors as a solution.  While I fully concede that they are part of current and future operations, I am reluctant to think of them as a viable solution for civ counterparts.  While they would be a capable asset I would have issues with their ultimate responsibility/accountability to the American populace.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/dealing-with-retrenchment/comment-page-1/#comment-7132</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s WoG?

I interpret your option (a) as meaning US (etc) civilian government employees.

It seems that (b) is the only viable option, especially in an environment where shooting (etc) could start at any moment. The only alternative is to use private contractors, possibly locally-engaged, with the military providing at most an enabling project-management function to replace what the civ govt employees would have brought to the table. Perhaps that could be option (c).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s WoG?</p>
<p>I interpret your option (a) as meaning US (etc) civilian government employees.</p>
<p>It seems that (b) is the only viable option, especially in an environment where shooting (etc) could start at any moment. The only alternative is to use private contractors, possibly locally-engaged, with the military providing at most an enabling project-management function to replace what the civ govt employees would have brought to the table. Perhaps that could be option (c).</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/dealing-with-retrenchment/comment-page-1/#comment-7131</link>
		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,

Agree completely.  I posed the similar point on SWJ in &quot;how do we enable civ capacity to operate in a less than ideal security situation (ideal being no threat resulting in security being provided by HN security forces/police)&quot;? 

If we can&#039;t - then do we abandon a WoG concept?  If the security situation is ideal, then the military isn&#039;t required to provide security and the civ can function with liminted or no interaction with a military component.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>Agree completely.  I posed the similar point on SWJ in &#8220;how do we enable civ capacity to operate in a less than ideal security situation (ideal being no threat resulting in security being provided by HN security forces/police)&#8221;? </p>
<p>If we can&#8217;t &#8211; then do we abandon a WoG concept?  If the security situation is ideal, then the military isn&#8217;t required to provide security and the civ can function with liminted or no interaction with a military component.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with (a) is the civ people&#039;s risk assessment process: they have been known to judge a project as too unsafe where a military organisation accepts the risk in a given area. Until you address the differential in risk appetites between the two camps, you&#039;re stuck with (b).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with (a) is the civ people&#8217;s risk assessment process: they have been known to judge a project as too unsafe where a military organisation accepts the risk in a given area. Until you address the differential in risk appetites between the two camps, you&#8217;re stuck with (b).</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
		<link>http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/07/dealing-with-retrenchment/comment-page-1/#comment-7129</link>
		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inactivity is not a viable solution (especially if national interests are genuinely at stake), so then the question is how does the US respond as it continues to become aware of its limitations in a Stability Ops environment?  

Does it:
a)  overhaul the civ capacity/structure to effectively enable a civ lead during Phase IV/V transition?; or
b)  increase military capacity/specialties to mirror those civ requirements and enable a military lead throughout Stab Ops?

The ideal solution is &quot;a&quot;, but in the near term you are going to see &quot;b&quot;.  At what point to you reach an almost irreversible trend in militarizing civ capabilities; and to what detriment of acutally achieving an organization/structure to counter its current limitations?

I posted a similar inquiry on SWJ with respect to civ-mil relations in response to the article &quot;The 800-pound Gorilla and Stability Operations&quot;.  http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2010/06/the-800pound-gorilla-and-stabi/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inactivity is not a viable solution (especially if national interests are genuinely at stake), so then the question is how does the US respond as it continues to become aware of its limitations in a Stability Ops environment?  </p>
<p>Does it:<br />
a)  overhaul the civ capacity/structure to effectively enable a civ lead during Phase IV/V transition?; or<br />
b)  increase military capacity/specialties to mirror those civ requirements and enable a military lead throughout Stab Ops?</p>
<p>The ideal solution is &#8220;a&#8221;, but in the near term you are going to see &#8220;b&#8221;.  At what point to you reach an almost irreversible trend in militarizing civ capabilities; and to what detriment of acutally achieving an organization/structure to counter its current limitations?</p>
<p>I posted a similar inquiry on SWJ with respect to civ-mil relations in response to the article &#8220;The 800-pound Gorilla and Stability Operations&#8221;.  <a href="http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2010/06/the-800pound-gorilla-and-stabi/" rel="nofollow">http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2010/06/the-800pound-gorilla-and-stabi/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jedibeeftrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jedibeeftrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nato&#039;s position in particular is interesting given that it is now &#039;fighting&#039; to create a new role post Fulda-Gap, a role that it must persuade its member states to sign up to in order for it to continue to be a credible actor in international relations.

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/2010/05/18/britain%E2%80%99s-future-strategic-direction-8-%E2%80%93-what-should-our-nato-allies-expect-of-us/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nato&#8217;s position in particular is interesting given that it is now &#8216;fighting&#8217; to create a new role post Fulda-Gap, a role that it must persuade its member states to sign up to in order for it to continue to be a credible actor in international relations.</p>
<p><a href="http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/2010/05/18/britain%E2%80%99s-future-strategic-direction-8-%E2%80%93-what-should-our-nato-allies-expect-of-us/" rel="nofollow">http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/2010/05/18/britain%E2%80%99s-future-strategic-direction-8-%E2%80%93-what-should-our-nato-allies-expect-of-us/</a></p>
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